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	<title>Comments on: Stephen Fry prompts anger in Poland over Holocaust remarks</title>
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		<title>By: Terry Shannon</title>
		<link>http://katycarr.com/2009/10/27/stephen-fry-prompts-anger-in-poland-over-holocaust-remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-7798</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your correspondent Alastair McAskill says that Stephen Fry made a &quot; very long mea culpa&quot;.  Actually the length of the &#039;mea culpa&#039; was bulked by comments about Jan Moir and her sins which makes it something other than a mea culpa since a reuqirement of a mea culpa (a part of the confession made at the Catholic mass where it is said: through my fault, through my fault, through my most grevious fault) is that we must confess and ask forgiveness for our sins alone.

I find Fry&#039;s apology mealy-mouthed in the sense that he is not speaking directly.  His attack on Poland was inadvertent.  He really meant to attack anything Catholic with his usual venom (I saw his rant on Channel 4 News at the time and he was almost spitting).  His apology does not mention directly what he said about the Catholic Polish for the perfectly good reason that he does not wish to apologise for that.  I get the impression he is not apologising for what he said but because it upset a country for &quot;no very good reason&quot;.  He blames the letters of others for his failure to respond correctly initially.  He also says that he &quot;seemed to imply&quot; when he ought to know very well that he didn&#039;t &quot;seem to imply&quot; anything, he said it blatantly.

If I tried to make a confession like Stephen&#039;s the priest would quite rightly chuck me out of the confessional and suggest I go back and make another examination of conscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your correspondent Alastair McAskill says that Stephen Fry made a &#8221; very long mea culpa&#8221;.  Actually the length of the &#8216;mea culpa&#8217; was bulked by comments about Jan Moir and her sins which makes it something other than a mea culpa since a reuqirement of a mea culpa (a part of the confession made at the Catholic mass where it is said: through my fault, through my fault, through my most grevious fault) is that we must confess and ask forgiveness for our sins alone.</p>
<p>I find Fry&#8217;s apology mealy-mouthed in the sense that he is not speaking directly.  His attack on Poland was inadvertent.  He really meant to attack anything Catholic with his usual venom (I saw his rant on Channel 4 News at the time and he was almost spitting).  His apology does not mention directly what he said about the Catholic Polish for the perfectly good reason that he does not wish to apologise for that.  I get the impression he is not apologising for what he said but because it upset a country for &#8220;no very good reason&#8221;.  He blames the letters of others for his failure to respond correctly initially.  He also says that he &#8220;seemed to imply&#8221; when he ought to know very well that he didn&#8217;t &#8220;seem to imply&#8221; anything, he said it blatantly.</p>
<p>If I tried to make a confession like Stephen&#8217;s the priest would quite rightly chuck me out of the confessional and suggest I go back and make another examination of conscience.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://katycarr.com/2009/10/27/stephen-fry-prompts-anger-in-poland-over-holocaust-remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think of Poland, I think of kindness and pickles and storks living on sticks. I like those thoughts. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think of Poland, I think of kindness and pickles and storks living on sticks. I like those thoughts. <img src='http://katycarr.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: katycarr</title>
		<link>http://katycarr.com/2009/10/27/stephen-fry-prompts-anger-in-poland-over-holocaust-remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>katycarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from Stephen Fry&#039;s Mea culpa : http://www.stephenfry.com/2009/10/19/poles-politeness-and-politics-in-the-age-of-twitter/

Poland

Only a week and a half ago I was asked to appear on Channel 4 news to comment on the Conservative Party and their decision to ally themselves in the European Parliament with the Polish Law and Justice Party, a nationalist grouping whose members have made statements of the most unpleasantly homophobic and antisemitic nature. I usually decline such invitations, and how I wish I had done so on this occasion. I think I accepted for the achingly dumb reason that I happened to be in the Holborn area all that day and the ITN news studios were just round the corner, so it seemed like an easy gig. The more probable explanation is that, as my father and squadrons of school teachers correctly reminded me throughout my childhood and youth, “Stephen just doesn’t think.” Anyway. Words tumbled from my lips during that interview that were as idiotic, ignorant and offensive as you could imagine. It had all been proceeding along perfectly acceptable lines until I said something like “let’s not forget which side of the border Auschwitz was on.”

I mean, what was I thinking? Well, as I say, I wasn’t. The words just formed themselves in a line in my head, as words will, and marched out of the mouth. I offer no excuse. I seemed to imply that the Polish people had been responsible for the most infamous of all the death factories of the Third Reich. I didn’t even really at the time notice the import of what I had said, so gave myself no opportunity instantly to retract the statement. It was a rubbishy, cheap and offensive remark that I have been regretting ever since.

But it gets worse. Once the interview had been transmitted I started to receive the odd invitation to talk on Polish radio, explain myself to Polish journalists and make apologies to the Polish people in general. Perfect, you might think. An opportunity to make amends. But some mad pixie of pride in my head had got me rather riled by this time. It wasn’t helped by the fact that some of the letters I received were of such a bombastic and dictatorial nature that any spark of apology was extinguished before it was born. So I just ignored the whole incident and pretended to myself that I had been misunderstood, mischievously misunderstood, you might even say; that it was obvious to the meanest intelligence that I had never meant to suggest that Poland was complicit in the Holocaust and therefore it would make so sense for me to apologise — it would only perpetuate the culture of offence and apology that is so tedious a feature of our world. Or so I muttered. Really I was so guilty and angry with myself that I directed the anger outwards, as people will.

I take this opportunity to apologise now. I said a stupid, thoughtless and fatuous thing. It detracted from and devalued my argument, such as it was, and it outraged and offended a large group of people for no very good reason. I am sorry in all directions, and all the more sorry because it is no one’s fault but my own, which always makes it so much worse. And sorry because I didn’t have the wit, style, grace or guts to apologise at the first opportunity. I don’t know if Jan Moir feels the same, but I am pretty sure that in her heart of hearts she will have at the very least yearned for a rewind button. How many times in her mind since must she have rephrased, reworded and rejigged that sorry and squalid little article? Some of you will think I am a simpleton to imagine any such thing and that she is much more canny, crafty and conniving than that. Conspiracy theorists can be the faithful guardians of our democracy, but like many fierce dogs they can often mistrust and savage the postman, the doctor or the innocent bystander as well as the real malefactor. But this a blog and therefore about meeeee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from Stephen Fry&#8217;s Mea culpa : <a href="http://www.stephenfry.com/2009/10/19/poles-politeness-and-politics-in-the-age-of-twitter/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stephenfry.com/2009/10/19/poles-politeness-and-politics-in-the-age-of-twitter/</a></p>
<p>Poland</p>
<p>Only a week and a half ago I was asked to appear on Channel 4 news to comment on the Conservative Party and their decision to ally themselves in the European Parliament with the Polish Law and Justice Party, a nationalist grouping whose members have made statements of the most unpleasantly homophobic and antisemitic nature. I usually decline such invitations, and how I wish I had done so on this occasion. I think I accepted for the achingly dumb reason that I happened to be in the Holborn area all that day and the ITN news studios were just round the corner, so it seemed like an easy gig. The more probable explanation is that, as my father and squadrons of school teachers correctly reminded me throughout my childhood and youth, “Stephen just doesn’t think.” Anyway. Words tumbled from my lips during that interview that were as idiotic, ignorant and offensive as you could imagine. It had all been proceeding along perfectly acceptable lines until I said something like “let’s not forget which side of the border Auschwitz was on.”</p>
<p>I mean, what was I thinking? Well, as I say, I wasn’t. The words just formed themselves in a line in my head, as words will, and marched out of the mouth. I offer no excuse. I seemed to imply that the Polish people had been responsible for the most infamous of all the death factories of the Third Reich. I didn’t even really at the time notice the import of what I had said, so gave myself no opportunity instantly to retract the statement. It was a rubbishy, cheap and offensive remark that I have been regretting ever since.</p>
<p>But it gets worse. Once the interview had been transmitted I started to receive the odd invitation to talk on Polish radio, explain myself to Polish journalists and make apologies to the Polish people in general. Perfect, you might think. An opportunity to make amends. But some mad pixie of pride in my head had got me rather riled by this time. It wasn’t helped by the fact that some of the letters I received were of such a bombastic and dictatorial nature that any spark of apology was extinguished before it was born. So I just ignored the whole incident and pretended to myself that I had been misunderstood, mischievously misunderstood, you might even say; that it was obvious to the meanest intelligence that I had never meant to suggest that Poland was complicit in the Holocaust and therefore it would make so sense for me to apologise — it would only perpetuate the culture of offence and apology that is so tedious a feature of our world. Or so I muttered. Really I was so guilty and angry with myself that I directed the anger outwards, as people will.</p>
<p>I take this opportunity to apologise now. I said a stupid, thoughtless and fatuous thing. It detracted from and devalued my argument, such as it was, and it outraged and offended a large group of people for no very good reason. I am sorry in all directions, and all the more sorry because it is no one’s fault but my own, which always makes it so much worse. And sorry because I didn’t have the wit, style, grace or guts to apologise at the first opportunity. I don’t know if Jan Moir feels the same, but I am pretty sure that in her heart of hearts she will have at the very least yearned for a rewind button. How many times in her mind since must she have rephrased, reworded and rejigged that sorry and squalid little article? Some of you will think I am a simpleton to imagine any such thing and that she is much more canny, crafty and conniving than that. Conspiracy theorists can be the faithful guardians of our democracy, but like many fierce dogs they can often mistrust and savage the postman, the doctor or the innocent bystander as well as the real malefactor. But this a blog and therefore about meeeee.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Carr</title>
		<link>http://katycarr.com/2009/10/27/stephen-fry-prompts-anger-in-poland-over-holocaust-remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>Katy Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al thanks for the above link will read it - It is just really sad when celebrities of Stephen Fry&#039;s status, intelligence and caliber make uniformed, personal and potentially very damaging remarks about a country like Poland&#039;s history. Everybody knows the Nazi Germans planned and constructed the WW2 concentration death camps especially that of Auschwitz. I have followed Stephen for years and I am really upset that a hero of mine has presented himself as a blithering fool....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al thanks for the above link will read it &#8211; It is just really sad when celebrities of Stephen Fry&#8217;s status, intelligence and caliber make uniformed, personal and potentially very damaging remarks about a country like Poland&#8217;s history. Everybody knows the Nazi Germans planned and constructed the WW2 concentration death camps especially that of Auschwitz. I have followed Stephen for years and I am really upset that a hero of mine has presented himself as a blithering fool&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alastair McAskill</title>
		<link>http://katycarr.com/2009/10/27/stephen-fry-prompts-anger-in-poland-over-holocaust-remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Alastair McAskill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a good Polish friend of mine had a personal twitter reply from Stephen apologising for what he said - and Stephen has written a very long mea culpa.

http://www.stephenfry.com/2009/10/19/poles-politeness-and-politics-in-the-age-of-twitter/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a good Polish friend of mine had a personal twitter reply from Stephen apologising for what he said &#8211; and Stephen has written a very long mea culpa.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stephenfry.com/2009/10/19/poles-politeness-and-politics-in-the-age-of-twitter/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stephenfry.com/2009/10/19/poles-politeness-and-politics-in-the-age-of-twitter/</a></p>
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